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#1 mind

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 09:54 PM

source: http://www.bluelight...ad.php?t=512598

Set 1: Beta ketones.
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There was a bit of a mess at the top - my apologies.

Naphyrone
Marquis - yellow
Mecke - no reaction (kept the brownish color it had out of bottle)
Mandellin - Clear
No fizz.

Mephedrone
Marquis - no color change, some fizz
Mandellin - stayed yellow (that's the one visible to the left of Mandellin column)
Mecke - no reaction (kept the brownish color it had out of the bottle)

MDPV, Methylone, Butylone:
Marquis - yellow
Mecke - red-brown
Mandellin - clear
Fizz from all reagents.

Buphedrone, Ethcathinone, 3 and 4 Flouromethcathinone:
Marquis - no reaction
Mecke - slight brown, almost no change.
Mandellin - slight browning.
Fizz from all reagents.

Set 2 - Other stimulants and empathogens:
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Notes:

Desoxypipiradrol
Marquis - brown
Mecke - brown
Mandellin - yellow/brown
Some fizz, slow reactions, weak colors.

6-APB
RESULTS REMOVED
IDENTITY OF CHEMICAL TESTED HAS BEEN CALLED INTO QUESTION.

5-IAI
Marquis - orange-brown
Mecke - light brown (note in above, obscured by 6-APB test running into it)
Mandellin - brown
Slow reactions, no fizz

MDAI
Marquis - red/orange for mostly-clean freebase, brown-black (hard to see in pic) for tan HCl salt.
Mecke -
Mandellin -
Tan HCl fizzed, white base did not

2-Aminoindane
Marquis - no reaction
Mecke - brown
Mandellin - light blue
Vigorous fizz from all reagents.

Amphetamine
Sample from Adderal XR, lack of results may have been due to small/impure sample. No color change with any reagent.

Ephedrine
Sample from BOLT brand single constituant ephedrine pills.
Marquis - no reaction
Mecke - no reaction
Mandellin - yellow-orange

Caffeine (anhydrous, USP)
Marquis - no reaction
Mecke - slight browning
Mandellin - no change


Key points to take away:
These reagents are not sufficient for differentiation between cathinones of similar structure.
These reagents are not sufficient to confidently confirm presence of mephedrone.
These reagents are not sufficient to confidently rule out the presence of most cathinones in combination with other agents that produce strong colors.
These reagents are not sufficient to confirm or rule out presence of desoxypipiradrol in combination with other agents, especially as the active dose is very low. Luckily I am not aware of this horrible drug showing up as an adulterant.
MDAI on the market is so filthy that the impurities confound identification with the marquis reagent.
2-AI, which many people have reported dangerous reactions from, can be confidently detected using the mandellin reagent.


I hope this is useful to people who may be in the situation of having to identify something which may contain research chemicals. I intend to do similar tests with synthetic cannabinoids, psychedelics, and sedatives.


Phenethylamine Psychedelics, by popular demand (despite that most of these come from reputable vendors, not sketchy products)

All of these fizz on contact with reagent.

2-3 minutes after testing:
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~30 minutes after testing
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2C-C:
Marquis - yellow, changing to light green, and then fading over time
Mecke - yellow/brown/green, green fades over time
Mandellin - clear

2C-B:
Marquis - yellow, changing to green, and then fading over time
Mecke - yellow/brown
Mandellin - yellow fading to clear

2C-I:
Marquis - Green-blue with yellow edges, fades to blue, fades over time
Mecke - dark brown, very fast
Mandellin - clear

2C-D:
Marquis - Very faint brown, fading to clear.
Mecke - Yellow-brown fading to reddish brown
Mandellin - Yellow w/tinge of green fades to clear over time

2C-E:
Marquis - Very faint brown, fading to clear.
Mecke - Dark brown
Mandellin - Yellow w/tinge of green fades to clear over time

2C-P:
Marquis - Very faint brown, fading to clear.
Mecke - Yellow-brown fading to Rusty Brown
Mandellin - Yellow w/tinge of green fades to clear over time
Slow reactions.

2C-T-2:
Marquis - Almost no reaction, slight brown.
Mecke - Black fading to rusty red.
Mandellin - Red fading to clear over time

Key points:
These reagents are suitable for identifying 4-halo 2C's; differentiation between them is possible but difficult.
These reagents are suitable for identifying 4-alkyl 2C's; differentiation between them is not realistically possible.
These reagents are excellent for identifying 4-thioalkyl 2C's. As only 1 thioalkyl 2C was available, nothing can be said for differentiation between 4-thioalkyl 2C's.
I am unable to replicate results indicating that 2C-E produces a green or yellow color, yet these chemicals are known good, and produce effects that are in every way consistent with expectations, including the characteristic durations and dosages for 2C-D/E/P.


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#2 dreamer

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 11:38 PM

Nice!

Vooral bij de 2C's leuk om te zien hoe de kleuren na een half uur veranderen. Ik vraag me af of dit bij de andere stoffen ook gebeurd.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 01:09 PM

Class!

Important notice: Due to the current financial crisis, we have decided to temporarily turn off the light at the end of the tunnel.

Thank you, the mdgt.


#4 Phlogiston

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 11:59 PM

Inderdaad een mooie vondst!

De 13e had ik deze bewuste kerel gelijk een pm gestuurd of ik zijn foto's voor onze eigen wiki mochten gebruiken, maar hij heeft tot op heden nog niet een antwoord terug gestuurd. En verwacht deze om eerlijk te zijn ook niet meer.

Maar het zijn wel waardevolle foto's, en gezien het feit dat ze zonder account op BL te zien zijn, lijkt het me dat ze voor iedereen beschikbaar zijn om er mee te doen wat ze willen, toch

Had hem ook vertelt dat de DHPedia non-profit is, dus lijkt me ook niet waarschijnlijk dat hij moeilijk zal gaan doen als we ze gewoon gebruiken, maar zou hij dat wel kunnen, in theorie, weet iemand dat?

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#5 mind

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 02:38 PM

Gewoon d'r opzetten, heeft die zware probs ermee dan kun je het eraf halen.
Wel linkje naar BL zodat ie credits heeft doen dan.
Letterlijk, spreekwoordelijk, dubbelzinnig.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 03:01 PM

De link staat er al, dus dat zal niet het probleem zijn..

Zal er dan maar binnenkort eens tijd voor moeten gaan vinden. :)

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#7 McHennemAn

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 09:48 AM

Gewoon erop zetten, ik weet dat mensen het meestal geen probleem vinden als je hun ego even streelt en full credits, mirre, olie en laurier blaadjes erbij doet.

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Posted 25 November 2010 - 07:22 PM

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Set 4: Tryptamines

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Image taken 30 minutes after experiment, but no changes after the first minute or so except where noted. Fizzing noted for all chemicals tested as the salt.

Tryptamines are very unlikely adulterants, with the possible exception of (the rather useless) 5-MeO-DALT; they are expensive and of somewhat limited availability.

DMT
Marquis - yellow
Mecke - Brown, fades to red over time.
Mandellin - yellow

4-AcO-DMT
Marquis - grey-green, white precipitate forming over time.
Mecke - Brown/black
Mandellin - yellow/orange

5-MeO-DMT
Marquis - Orange
Mecke - Red/Brown
Mandellin - Yellow

4-AcO-DiPT
Marquis - yellow
Mecke - Brown/Black.
Mandellin - orange

4-HO-MiPT
Marquis - grey/green
Mecke - Brown
Mandellin - brown/orange

5-MeO-MiPT
Marquis - yellow
Mecke - Red/Brown
Mandellin - yellow

4-HO-DALT
Marquis - yellow, white precipitate over time
Mecke - Brown
Mandellin - orange

5-MeO-DALT
Marquis - slight yellow
Mecke - Red/Brown
Mandellin - yellow

4-MeO-PCP
Marquis - no change
Mecke - very slight brown
Mandellin - very slight yellow

Key Points:
These reagents are sufficient for detecting tryptamines.
These reagents are sufficient for narrowing the range of possible tryptamines, but not for positive identification.
Mecke turns reddish brown in the presence of 5-MeO-T's, and brown in the presence of 4-HO/4-AcO-T's.
These reagents are not sufficient to detect 4-MeO-PCP.


Synthetic Cannabinoids (Coming soonish, guide to telling if weed is laced):
None produced fizzing. I am now convinced that fizzing is produced by simple reaction of H2SO4 in reagent with salts of a volatile acid.

Image pending

JWH-018, JWH-073, JWH-081
Marquis - Yellow quickly changing to brown
Mecke - Brown/Yellow
Mandellin - Dark brown

JWH-200
Marquis - Yellow/orange
Mecke - Yellow
Mandellin - Dark red-brown

JWH-250
Marquis - Red, fading to orange over time
Mecke - Orange
Mandellin - Dark grey-brown

AM-694
Marquis - Brown/yellow, hints of green
Mecke - grey/brown
Mandellin - Dark red-brown

CP-47,497
Marquis - Red/orange
Mecke - Blue, fading over time.
Mandellin - Brown

CP-55,940
Marquis - red/orange
Mecke - Blue-green, fading over time
Mandellin - Brown

Conclusion/comments:
These reagents are sufficient to detect synthetic cannabinoids in common circulation
These reagents are sufficient to distinguish between classes of synthetic cannabinoids, but not between closely related compounds.
It is as yet unverified whether these are suitable for analysis of smoke blends, or determination of adulterants in cannabis.


http://www.bluelight...40&postcount=16

my results for Methylone, Mephedrone and Butylone are across in http://www.bluelight...ad.php?t=491284 but for ease I'll add them in here

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http://www.bluelight...99&postcount=40
M1: Stong Yellow, Brown, Brownish
4-MMC -Pale Yellow, No real change brownish tinges may have been contamination, pale greenish
B1: Strong Yellow, Brown, Brownish

I suppose the strong yellow could almost be orange

and buffer, simons & robadope

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also the works for MDPV

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Note: though it seems the general consensus on the pale yellow I got (along with many other people) for mephedrone was probably as a result of a synthesis contaminant.


To TheAzo:

Firstly thank you for your comprehensive reagent test of so many chemicals. This is the best list I have come across. I keep my own list and photos of results I've witnessed as I've found numerous strange results that do not match on different web sites. Here are some things you may find interesting or different from your tests...

Methylone (bk-MDMA)
I've tested 3 different batches from 3 different companies over the years. All went yellow to Marquis. From my photos at least 1 batch reactined yellow to Mandelin. You have reported no reaction to Mandelin. Can anyone else confirm if Methylone (bk-MDMA) turns yellow or not with Mandelin? Unfortunately in the last couple of years when I replaced my test kit I got EZ-Extreme so don't have access to Mandelin or Mecke.

Here is the batch I tested from 2005:
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Mephedrone (4-MMC)
No pictures of reagents but I have witnessed none or next to no reaction with 4-MMC to Marquis. This is the same as TheAzo but in contrast to some other people out there who seem to get a yellow to Marquis. It will react however to Simons but not as strong reaction as MDxx. Here is a pic of the 4-MMC I have tested:
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also worth noting is capsules I've come across sold as MDMA, test up in the same way as 4-MMC I've tested (no reaction to Marquis, blue reaction to Simons) and have the same kind of sweet chemically RC taste that is not like MDxx.


2C-E
I have tested 2 batches each from the same company. Both had a different appearance. Both were very active and fairly similar in effect. Both tested differently to Marquis.

This is the 2006 Batch with none or next to no reaction to Marquis: Notice light white or slighty yellow white, fluffy, flakey appearance.
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This is the 2008 Batch: No picture of reagent but this did turn light yellow with Marquis. Notice it has a darker off white appearance and is heavier looking in the bag.
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The other difference is that the 2006 batch I used a test kit that was around 2-3years old. The 2008 batch was tested with new Marquis reagent. How old is the Marquis reagent you used TheAzo?


2C-D
My reactions were using a new test kit. Marquis went bright yellow not brown. Effects seemed consistent with reports.
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2C-I
I tested 2 batches of 2C-I from different sources. Both have tested up similar. The main difference to TheAzo is with Marquis mine have gone brown in the first few seconds before yellow/green. This batch was from 2008, high potency, bright white and very sparkly. Tested with a new kit.
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I also got brown with Mecke like TheAzo. I however did not test with Mandelin and I am wondering why does TheAzo say that Mandelin was clear for 2C-I yet in his photos it appears brown?


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#9 Blowmonkey

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 09:54 PM

Theazo is er helemaal ok mee dat het hier word gecrosspost. Hij update het met een tijdje trouwens nog met Methoxetamine, TMA-2, Mescaline, DOI, DOC en nog meer 6-APB.
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Posted 06 August 2011 - 10:19 PM

Wie durft te gokken welke stoffen hier zijn getest met Marquis reagens??

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Ergens komende week zijn de antwoorden op de DHPedia te vinden.. :D

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 02:02 PM

Gokje:

2 Amphetamine
4 4fmp
9 is mdma
16 modafinil
19 mda
21 DMT
23 methylone
25 2ci (na een tijdje?)
31 2cb

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 02:07 PM

#16 is goed, rest is fout.


Hint:
MDMA, Methylone en 2CB zitten er niet tussen
(En sommige zijn al beetje verkleurt, omdat ik steeds per twee foto's heb gemaakt, maar op de wiki komen wel de duidelijke foto's, no worries)


EDIT: #25 is ook goed

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#13 Feroxium

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 12:20 PM

Hmm hier moet toch een mobile app voor te maken zijn, je kan ook barcodes scannen, filmposters herkennen en sudokus oplossen met de camera... marquis samples vergelijken moet te doen zijn lijkt me. :rolleyes:
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Posted 10 August 2011 - 02:19 PM

Voor wie benieuwd is, alle antwoorden staan op de DHPedia.

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